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	<title>Comments on: Normally, I&#8217;d relish a mention on InfoQ</title>
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		<title>By: George Dinwiddie</title>
		<link>http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2010/05/25/normally-id-relish-a-mention-on-infoq/comment-page-1/#comment-106487</link>
		<dc:creator>George Dinwiddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 10:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Vikas, I didn&#039;t ask if you had a &lt;i&gt;degree&lt;/i&gt; in journalism.  That&#039;s just a certificate, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Vikas, I didn&#8217;t ask if you had a <i>degree</i> in journalism.  That&#8217;s just a certificate, you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Vikas Hazrati</title>
		<link>http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2010/05/25/normally-id-relish-a-mention-on-infoq/comment-page-1/#comment-106480</link>
		<dc:creator>Vikas Hazrati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 05:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting private emails, contradicting your comments about not contacting people. I don&#039;t remember being asked if I have a degree in Journalism. And, talking about Journalism 101.

Some how things do not match up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting private emails, contradicting your comments about not contacting people. I don&#8217;t remember being asked if I have a degree in Journalism. And, talking about Journalism 101.</p>
<p>Some how things do not match up.</p>
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		<title>By: George Dinwiddie</title>
		<link>http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2010/05/25/normally-id-relish-a-mention-on-infoq/comment-page-1/#comment-106463</link>
		<dc:creator>George Dinwiddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 21:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Mark, since you said in a private email just to me that you didn&#039;t want to be contacted again, and repeated it when I tried to verify some information, I interpreted it to leave you alone.  I can forward you all the email if you&#039;d like to review them.

I have removed your name from the blog posting, as you requested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Mark, since you said in a private email just to me that you didn&#8217;t want to be contacted again, and repeated it when I tried to verify some information, I interpreted it to leave you alone.  I can forward you all the email if you&#8217;d like to review them.</p>
<p>I have removed your name from the blog posting, as you requested.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Levison</title>
		<link>http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2010/05/25/normally-id-relish-a-mention-on-infoq/comment-page-1/#comment-106462</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Levison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 21:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again you&#039;ve taken something out of context. I asked to be removed from a private email thread. I didn&#039;t say don&#039;t contact me before writing a blog post. BTW the contents of the post still grossly misrepresent my position.

I intervened in the first place because I thought that Ron had attacked the human and not the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again you&#8217;ve taken something out of context. I asked to be removed from a private email thread. I didn&#8217;t say don&#8217;t contact me before writing a blog post. BTW the contents of the post still grossly misrepresent my position.</p>
<p>I intervened in the first place because I thought that Ron had attacked the human and not the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: George Dinwiddie</title>
		<link>http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2010/05/25/normally-id-relish-a-mention-on-infoq/comment-page-1/#comment-106461</link>
		<dc:creator>George Dinwiddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 21:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I&#039;ve removed the links to Twitter at your request.  I put those in &lt;i&gt;to provide context&lt;/i&gt;, not to take it out of context.  (I also suspect you underestimate the privacy of Twitter.)

I don&#039;t know why it has become such a personal fight for you that I don&#039;t like Vikas&#039; article.

I realize that stringers for InfoQ are not doing it for the income.  Nor do I write this blog for the income.  Yet clearly we are both publishing for mass consumption, and are therefore journalists.  I don&#039;t label mine as &quot;news,&quot; however.

As for contacting you before writing this blog post, I did that.  You refused, at that time, to discuss it any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I&#8217;ve removed the links to Twitter at your request.  I put those in <i>to provide context</i>, not to take it out of context.  (I also suspect you underestimate the privacy of Twitter.)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why it has become such a personal fight for you that I don&#8217;t like Vikas&#8217; article.</p>
<p>I realize that stringers for InfoQ are not doing it for the income.  Nor do I write this blog for the income.  Yet clearly we are both publishing for mass consumption, and are therefore journalists.  I don&#8217;t label mine as &#8220;news,&#8221; however.</p>
<p>As for contacting you before writing this blog post, I did that.  You refused, at that time, to discuss it any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Levison</title>
		<link>http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2010/05/25/normally-id-relish-a-mention-on-infoq/comment-page-1/#comment-106460</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Levison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 18:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this blog post any better than what you accused Vikas of? You said he should&#039;ve contacted Ron.

Perhaps you should have asked me to clarify my very short comments on twitter. 140 chars isn&#039;t enough to clearly express ideas. Yet you thought it enough to quote me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this blog post any better than what you accused Vikas of? You said he should&#8217;ve contacted Ron.</p>
<p>Perhaps you should have asked me to clarify my very short comments on twitter. 140 chars isn&#8217;t enough to clearly express ideas. Yet you thought it enough to quote me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Levison</title>
		<link>http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2010/05/25/normally-id-relish-a-mention-on-infoq/comment-page-1/#comment-106458</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Levison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 18:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you&#039;re doing to me, what you and Ron objected to. You&#039;re taking what I said out of context.

Lets be clear 140 chars on twitter shouldn&#039;t be quoted. There isn&#039;t enough context and information.

All I tried to do was move the focus of Ron&#039;s anger from the human (Vikas) to the problem (the news item). For my pains I&#039;ve been accused of needing use &quot;editorial independance&quot; and more. All I wanted was for you and Ron to remember that Vikas is human.

As for journalists - we&#039;re somewhere in between journalists and bloggers. Again quoting twitter and personal email isn&#039;t fair game. We strive to be neutral, objective and bring to light all of the sides of story but we do mistakes. However we&#039;re not paid as full time journalists, we do this because we love the community and not because it pays well. As a result its not a full time job.

My lessons learned, don&#039;t twitter with George because there is a chance that you will be quoted in a blog. Sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you&#8217;re doing to me, what you and Ron objected to. You&#8217;re taking what I said out of context.</p>
<p>Lets be clear 140 chars on twitter shouldn&#8217;t be quoted. There isn&#8217;t enough context and information.</p>
<p>All I tried to do was move the focus of Ron&#8217;s anger from the human (Vikas) to the problem (the news item). For my pains I&#8217;ve been accused of needing use &#8220;editorial independance&#8221; and more. All I wanted was for you and Ron to remember that Vikas is human.</p>
<p>As for journalists &#8211; we&#8217;re somewhere in between journalists and bloggers. Again quoting twitter and personal email isn&#8217;t fair game. We strive to be neutral, objective and bring to light all of the sides of story but we do mistakes. However we&#8217;re not paid as full time journalists, we do this because we love the community and not because it pays well. As a result its not a full time job.</p>
<p>My lessons learned, don&#8217;t twitter with George because there is a chance that you will be quoted in a blog. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: George Dinwiddie</title>
		<link>http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2010/05/25/normally-id-relish-a-mention-on-infoq/comment-page-1/#comment-106453</link>
		<dc:creator>George Dinwiddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 15:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear, this post and the comments I posted on InfoQ are not attacking any person or InfoQ.  Several people associated with InfoQ have used that term in communication with me, though they&#039;ve yet to point out where I&#039;m doing so.  I think they&#039;re just over-reacting.

And lest anyone think that InfoQ as a whole is represented by that, or the remarks above, I had a private comment from another InfoQ staffer that &quot;of course&quot; they&#039;re journalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, this post and the comments I posted on InfoQ are not attacking any person or InfoQ.  Several people associated with InfoQ have used that term in communication with me, though they&#8217;ve yet to point out where I&#8217;m doing so.  I think they&#8217;re just over-reacting.</p>
<p>And lest anyone think that InfoQ as a whole is represented by that, or the remarks above, I had a private comment from another InfoQ staffer that &#8220;of course&#8221; they&#8217;re journalists.</p>
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		<title>By: @TheSandyWalsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>@TheSandyWalsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 12:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks George.

FWIW, I like the approach the Software Craftsmanship google group seems to promote: regional craftsmanship groups (not unlike regional agile groups). 

http://groups.google.com/group/software_craftsmanship?hl=en

No endorsements required. Not &quot;blessed&quot; by the pundits. Just get together and talk about the art with like minded people. 

As I&#039;ve said before &quot;Here&#039;s your software craftsmanship certification ... show people your code.&quot;

It&#039;s like learning a martial art. The first thing you learn is that there&#039;s always someone bigger and badder than you, so don&#039;t start a fight, even if you have a black belt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks George.</p>
<p>FWIW, I like the approach the Software Craftsmanship google group seems to promote: regional craftsmanship groups (not unlike regional agile groups). </p>
<p><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/software_craftsmanship?hl=en" rel="nofollow">http://groups.google.com/group/software_craftsmanship?hl=en</a></p>
<p>No endorsements required. Not &#8220;blessed&#8221; by the pundits. Just get together and talk about the art with like minded people. </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said before &#8220;Here&#8217;s your software craftsmanship certification &#8230; show people your code.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like learning a martial art. The first thing you learn is that there&#8217;s always someone bigger and badder than you, so don&#8217;t start a fight, even if you have a black belt.</p>
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		<title>By: George Dinwiddie</title>
		<link>http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2010/05/25/normally-id-relish-a-mention-on-infoq/comment-page-1/#comment-106437</link>
		<dc:creator>George Dinwiddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 12:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Sandy,

Yes, the certification issue is a different thing.  I&#039;ve written about that before.

Just for the record, I&#039;ve not (yet, anyway) received any certificate.  I &lt;i&gt;did&lt;/i&gt; give out Agile Merit Badges, though. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Sandy,</p>
<p>Yes, the certification issue is a different thing.  I&#8217;ve written about that before.</p>
<p>Just for the record, I&#8217;ve not (yet, anyway) received any certificate.  I <i>did</i> give out Agile Merit Badges, though. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: @TheSandyWalsh</title>
		<link>http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2010/05/25/normally-id-relish-a-mention-on-infoq/comment-page-1/#comment-106436</link>
		<dc:creator>@TheSandyWalsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 May 2010 12:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think both camps have good arguments.

My issue is with the premise of the whole thing. Why does it have to be a certification? Why can&#039;t it just be a course? Period.

I was talking to a former colleague the other day who recently did the CSM course and he beamed &quot;So, I guess I&#039;m a Certified Scrum Master now!&quot; 

God love him, but this guy knows next to nothing about Agile. After some probing, what he got from the course was enough to be dangerous. :s/CSM/CSD/g

Sorry, but it sounds like hipster bs to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think both camps have good arguments.</p>
<p>My issue is with the premise of the whole thing. Why does it have to be a certification? Why can&#8217;t it just be a course? Period.</p>
<p>I was talking to a former colleague the other day who recently did the CSM course and he beamed &#8220;So, I guess I&#8217;m a Certified Scrum Master now!&#8221; </p>
<p>God love him, but this guy knows next to nothing about Agile. After some probing, what he got from the course was enough to be dangerous. :s/CSM/CSD/g</p>
<p>Sorry, but it sounds like hipster bs to me.</p>
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