Comments on: Proficiency and Fluency in Self-Organization http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2009/11/22/proficiency-and-fluency-in-self-organization/ Effective software development Mon, 08 Mar 2010 16:47:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: WAYK Links Round-up « "Where Are Your Keys?"™: The Language Fluency Game http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2009/11/22/proficiency-and-fluency-in-self-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-102788 WAYK Links Round-up « "Where Are Your Keys?"™: The Language Fluency Game Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:10:36 +0000 http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/?p=298#comment-102788 [...] Proficiency and Fluency in Self-Organization [...] [...] Proficiency and Fluency in Self-Organization [...]

]]> By: David Schmaltz http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2009/11/22/proficiency-and-fluency-in-self-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-96569 David Schmaltz Mon, 23 Nov 2009 12:26:21 +0000 http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/?p=298#comment-96569 I'm wondering, "according to whom?" Who makes the observations/judgments as to proficiency and fluency in a self-organization context? And, in a team context, who exhibits these characteristics, since success in teaming means not necessarily individual but collective proficiency and fluency? Wouldn't it? For instance, we've all seen individuals who's fluency disrupts their proficiency, so distracted (and distracting) proposing new and alluring patterns that they become self-disorganizing. And, we've seen folks who working collectively somehow integrate such an individual and stumble ahead better for their presence. An observer might conclude that the overly fluent one is a disability to the team, that the others on the team are protecting him, when he's really a part of an integral whole. So, who exhibits these proficiency and fluency traits and what do they look like in practice? I like that you've posed these as outcomes and NOT as behaviors. This makes them more tangible, but only as post hoc phenomenon. I might be able to know after the fact that you were fluent and/or proficient, but not beforehand. And this leaves me wondering, even if you had an observer, what would he observe? I’m wondering, “according to whom?” Who makes the observations/judgments as to proficiency and fluency in a self-organization context? And, in a team context, who exhibits these characteristics, since success in teaming means not necessarily individual but collective proficiency and fluency? Wouldn’t it? For instance, we’ve all seen individuals who’s fluency disrupts their proficiency, so distracted (and distracting) proposing new and alluring patterns that they become self-disorganizing. And, we’ve seen folks who working collectively somehow integrate such an individual and stumble ahead better for their presence. An observer might conclude that the overly fluent one is a disability to the team, that the others on the team are protecting him, when he’s really a part of an integral whole. So, who exhibits these proficiency and fluency traits and what do they look like in practice?
I like that you’ve posed these as outcomes and NOT as behaviors. This makes them more tangible, but only as post hoc phenomenon. I might be able to know after the fact that you were fluent and/or proficient, but not beforehand. And this leaves me wondering, even if you had an observer, what would he observe?

]]> By: George Dinwiddie http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2009/11/22/proficiency-and-fluency-in-self-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-96527 George Dinwiddie Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:58:50 +0000 http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/?p=298#comment-96527 Willem, thanks for the inspiration and the encouragement. -- George Willem, thanks for the inspiration and the encouragement.

— George

]]> By: Willem http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2009/11/22/proficiency-and-fluency-in-self-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-96522 Willem Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:48:23 +0000 http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/?p=298#comment-96522 George- I have been waiting for a breakthrough like this for months and months, hoping someone Agile fluency could create a roadmap. Count me as a *huge* fan of this draft of a possible roadmap. Just thrilling. -Willem George-
I have been waiting for a breakthrough like this for months and months, hoping someone Agile fluency could create a roadmap. Count me as a *huge* fan of this draft of a possible roadmap.

Just thrilling.

-Willem

]]> By: Ted M. Young http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/2009/11/22/proficiency-and-fluency-in-self-organization/comment-page-1/#comment-96482 Ted M. Young Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:15:10 +0000 http://blog.gdinwiddie.com/?p=298#comment-96482 This is amazingly relevant as we're in the process of "leveling" people in our development organization (a necessary evil) and I like how this is a much more useful scale than the traditional "supervision", "independence" and "knowledge" scales. I'm going to think about how to expand this into more concrete ways that people can measure themselves. This is amazingly relevant as we’re in the process of “leveling” people in our development organization (a necessary evil) and I like how this is a much more useful scale than the traditional “supervision”, “independence” and “knowledge” scales. I’m going to think about how to expand this into more concrete ways that people can measure themselves.

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